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Update (1 June): Rick responds. Click here to read his article.

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Blogger Rick said...

Is this blog trying to guilt-trip me into volunteiring for World War One?

9:43 am, May 31, 2008 
Blogger Andy Moore said...

Yes!

What do you think Rick? I just reckon the poster is really great even today, it gets you thinking.

Good times.

9:46 am, May 31, 2008 
Blogger Rick said...

Not wishing to be a downer.

But not being a Christian I'm not big on guilt for a start. I think this is a sick poster asking men to sacrifice their lives to a stupid bloody war by force of peer-pressure.

Sick times.

12:35 pm, May 31, 2008 
Blogger Andy Moore said...

Who says this poster is about guilt?

It's simply letting men ask themselves the question.

The idea of conscription, etc grates with me - but at times I think it is necessary.

Brave times.

9:26 pm, May 31, 2008 
Blogger Rick said...

Conscription is exercising the right of slavery in the defense of the state. That premise reduces your choices and actions, your life, to necessarily expendible at the disposal of the social collective. But it's supposed to belong to someone else.

We both agree it's guilt-tripping propaganda.

7:07 am, June 01, 2008 
Blogger Andy Moore said...

says you...

;)

2:46 pm, June 01, 2008 
Blogger Rick said...

Says reason. And, Silent Running.

3:00 pm, June 01, 2008 
Blogger Andy Moore said...

The link didn't work...

"conscription is exercising the right of slavery..."

What do you mean? I don't care about your social collective - if the country is under threat of invasion, then the sensible and patriotic response is to take up arms. Conscription does have its place.

3:17 pm, June 01, 2008 
Blogger Rick said...

Works now.

I mean conscription is slavery. It couldn't be more plain.

This war poster isn't about conscription though of course, which was not employed by our side in that war.

All very well for you to say that your slaves will be responding with sense and patriotism. But then why do you enslave them to do it? Can't people be patriotic and sensible without your lash? And if you lash them into motive actions against their will can their actions very well be called sensible and patriotic?

Conscription has its place: in the sick past.

6:40 pm, June 01, 2008 
Blogger MikeE said...

"What do you mean? I don't care about your social collective - if the country is under threat of invasion, then the sensible and patriotic response is to take up arms. Conscription does have its place."

What if I wish to welcome my new alien overlords with open arms.. does conscription have a place then?

Would it be justified for ... lets say the iraqi's to use conscription due to threat of US invasion a few years ago?

What if individual iraqis supported the invasion, but the government didnt?

Is conscription ok then?

What did YOU do in the war?

8:47 pm, June 01, 2008 
Blogger libertyscott said...

Of course the last time New Zealand was under plausible threat of invasion was WW2. Your life does not belong to the state, but if you believe you are threatened by invasion then yes, feel free to fight it - but no one should be forced to. Indeed the relevant (male) members of my family didn't, but one was an engineer in shipyards, the other had 3 jobs.

3:19 am, June 02, 2008 
Blogger Andy Moore said...

Well, as citizens of New Zealand, don't we have a duty to fight for her freedom?

At some point, the government forcing people to fight may be our last hope of survival...

And MikeE, if you wish to welcome your new alien overlords with open arms - well sorry, chances are the majority of your countrymen don't agree with you - though I definitely see what you're saying, and it's a good point.

Anyway, like I said before, this poster isn't forcing anyone to fight, and it's not necessarily trying to make guys feel guilty - but it does leave them to ask themselves the question - which is a good thing.

12:58 pm, June 02, 2008 
Anonymous Anonymous said...

Aren't I glad the world wasn't full of weird liberals like you rick, libertyscott and mikee in the early 20th century.

If it was then we would have been overrun by nazi's killing off whoever they choose.

Why should they have the choice to choose who they kill?

5:32 pm, June 02, 2008 

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